Randy Couture and MMA Stands Tall against Boxing

Posted: September 2, 2010 by Xtreme Couture MMA in randy couture, xtreme couture
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The James Toney-Randy Couture fight does have significance beyond the fight itself. I am a boxing aficionado but do enjoy the Mixed Martial Arts and boxing does have quite a bit to learn from the Mixed Martial Arts.

The first lesson to be learned is that the Mixed Martial Arts are filled with good athletes who can fight. The question that many boxing pundits and fans have asked, what would happened if an elite boxer fought an elite mixed martial artist and the question have been answered in part. Toney is one of the premier boxers over the past generation and while he is 42, he is not that far removed from his active career. Randy Couture, founder of XCAP and Xtreme Couture, is 47 and while there was a time that Couture was one of the mixed martial art elites, he too was past his prime but still an active fighter. We saw two former elite fighters at similar point in their careers and with the boxer using 4 ounce gloves, the advantages laid with the boxer who often uses 8 and 10 ounce gloves.

What we witnessed was an easy victory for Couture and this showed that the Mixed Martial arts can stand on their own as a sporting event. The final bottom line is that while boxers are good athletes and if you put Toney in the ring with Couture using just hands, Toney wins hands down but this was not about using just hands but one’s entire arsenal. Toney showed that even an elite boxer with nine months of training may not be a match for a martial artist who has worked at his craft for a lifetime. This would be equivalent of an elite basketball player deciding in mid-career to play professional baseball. The basketball player will find himself learning a sport that many of baseball contemporaries have spent a lifetime perfecting. (In case you are wondering if an elite basketball player actually decided to attempt this, think Michael Jordan, who failed to make it to the big leagues after trying for two years. He went back to basketball and led the Bulls to three more NBA titles.)

There is more to the martial arts than just the use of hands, feet and submission holds but the ability to put all of these skills together and most boxers can’t handle the ground game. The mixed martial artists come from martial arts and wrestling background, so many MMA stars have multiple of skills to learn before becoming stars. Many wrestlers must learn to use their hands and many karate specialists and boxers must learn ground skills. Toney has the hand skills but not the ground game and that was obvious almost immediately. Toney also learned that nine months is not enough time to learn the ground game that will allow him to compete at the highest levels.

The first lesson to be learned what one learns in the square ring does not translate to the octagon. The second lesson to learn is that UFC is the master when it comes to marketing when compared to boxing. While there are many different mixed martial arts organization but in MMA; there is one organization that every Mixed Martial Artists understand is the highest levels, the UFC.

In boxing, there are way too many boxing organizations that run the sport and run it badly, so many causal sport fans are confuse, who is the true champ or what organization is the premier organization. In Mixed Martial Arts, there is no question of which division is the premier leader. While some have decided to use Ring Magazine as the official boxing ratings, this has not yet taken hold as being practical. Name me one sport in which a magazine determines the champions or the rules of the sport. Can you imagine if Sports Illustrated determine who was the NFL champion? Yet, that is what is happening in boxing where you have literally five organizations speaking for the sport and most of them not trusted by fans or even fighters themselves to be the care taker of the sport.

Until boxing decides that there is a premier division that is recognize by promoters, fans and even the athletes themselves then boxing will continue to fall behind the Mixed Martial Arts.

The Toney-Couture fight was a milestone for both boxing and Mixed Martial Arts. MMA and the UFC showed that it is the premier combat sport in both popularity and reality. For many sport fans, it is not about who is the best boxer or best karate specialist but who is the best fighter. This fight was the wake up call for boxing as far as marketing is concern. Full crowds accompany Mixed Martial Arts and popularity of the sport continues to grow. Boxing needs to learn the right lessons, including promotion. The first important step in promotion is for boxing promoters to push for one boxing division and start treating the other divisions as secondary markets or minor leagues. Until that happens, boxing will continue to decline

Comments
  1. Not the greatest written article but (s)he lays out some solid points.

  2. Ricky says:

    Clearly written by someone who watches these matches out of blood lust. Boxing is not about knocking the other person out. It is a science. Boxing is an art limited to arms, for the reason that this very limitation creates boundaries in which you must utilise techniques within. Limitation restricts what can be used and what can be learnt, thus making defeating others harder. Finally, its a stupid question in the first place to ask which is ‘better’. Better for what? If you’re talking about whats better for beating someone up, obviously MMA, because its like comparing a two legged dog with a four legged one in a race. If your talking about skill and learning a discipline within its boundaries, the sloppy guards of MMA fighters which constantly drop when they throw punches, the lack of aesthetic movement involved when a scrap ensues, the less than calculated ‘mount and pummel’, and the long periods of non-action tied up on the ground, make the phrase “jack of all trades master of none” fittingly applied.

  3. Sean says:

    Please Ricky. After reading your reply, clearly you’re a boxing fan. Nothing wrong with that. To each their own but let it go man. Boxing is an art, yes. MMA isn’t? I’m pretty sure the “A” in MMA means the exact thing you’re talking about. Boxing is a Fighting sport. Exactly the same as Karate, Muay Thai, Wrestling, Jiu-Jitsu, Judo…the list goes on. I agree with the limitations that boxing presents to the fighter-the same in all fighting sports I might ad- but what about the endless possibilities a Mixed Martial Artist has to deal with in the cage. These fighters walk into the cage and no one knows how its going to end. Could be a KO. Could be a submission. The fighter has no idea what’s coming at he/she. Put all of these art forms together and you’ve got an entirely new “animal”. The sport of Fighting has evolved over the years and MMA is the result. It was inevitable. But for some reason boxing has the biggest beef. Couture vs Toney…case closed. With regards to your dog analogy…I would rather my four legged dog show up to a fight than your two legged one. That’s exactly what happened last weekend. I love your ignorant “jack of all trades” remark. Shows how totally clueless you are about the fighters in MMA. A complete uneducated insult to the world class wrestlers, world class muay thai fighters, world class jiu jitsu fighters, world class sambo fighters-the list goes on- that make up the sport of MMA. Plus a complete insult to the fans who have evolved over the years wanting more. We’ve finally got it and its called MMA. Its the future Ricky, deal with it.

  4. Alan says:

    As the commentators to this fight pointed out afterwards, the “lesson learned” from this, the 118th UFC episode, was no different to that learned in the first – i.e. that without skill in grappling, even the best boxers and martial artists are helpless. Toney was a fool to take this fight. Couture could probably have picked him apart with leg kicks even without taking the fight to the ground but why mess around?

    I always used to like boxing, but since becoming an MMA fan I find it simply unwatchable.

  5. bernie says:

    I being an ex-boxer find the MMA very interesting, but have felt it’s now being totally controlled by the better wrestler. The goal now is to get them to the ground, and once that’s done it’s over. They don’t even pummel each other anymore once they get them on the ground. The goal is to get a submission by a choke out, arm lock or ankle lock.

    How about this format:

    1st Round: Boxing

    2nd Round: Marital Arts

    3rd Round: Wrestling

    This would make it more interesting to see many rounds each could go.

  6. Tom Palmer says:

    Congrats from Team Quest Randy. We sure miss you up here.

    Tom Palmer

  7. icigo says:

    what if he’s against chris jhon?

  8. siteman11bb says:

    Already got the DVR set up but no beer to close to the fight. Please wait a few minutes and refresh this page. But I learned many days ago to use one. I hope to learn and grow from it. I am a boxing aficionado but do enjoy the Mixed Martial Arts and boxing does have quite a bit to learn from the Mixed Martial Arts. Toney showed that even an elite boxer with nine months of training may not be a match for a martial artist who has worked at his craft for a lifetime. The basketball player will find himself learning a sport that many of baseball contemporaries have spent a lifetime perfecting. He went back to basketball and led the Bulls to three more NBA titles. Many wrestlers must learn to use their hands and many karate spets and boxers must learn ground skills. Toney has the hand skills but not the ground game and that was obvious almost immediately. Toney also learned that nine months is not enough time to learn the ground game that will allow him to compete at the highest levels. The second lesson to learn is that UFC is the master when it comes to marketing when compared to boxing. Name me one sport in which a magazine determines the champions or the rules of the sport. MMA and the UFC showed that it is the premier combat sport in both popularity and reality. This fight was the wake up call for boxing as far as marketing is concern. Full crowds accompany Mixed Martial Arts and popularity of the sport continues to grow. The first important step in promotion is for boxing promoters to push for one boxing division and start treating the other divisions as secondary markets or minor leagues. Boxing is not about knocking the other person out. To each their own but let it go man. These fighters walk into the cage and no one knows how its going to end. The sport of Fighting has evolved over the years and MMA is the result. But for some reason boxing has the biggest beef. Shows how totally clueless you are about the fighters in MMA. Plus a complete insult to the fans who have evolved over the years wanting more. Toney was a fool to take this fight.com to post a comment to your blog. You are commenting using your Twitter account. Notify me of new posts via email.This is a great post. Lots of great information. href=” http://gettingfitnow45.blogspot.com

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